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Re: WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

Thursday, 03 July 2008 20:57

"We can clearly see"  

I wish I could keep up with you onyourtoes,  sudanly you are calling  Peter ?  Haven't you been talking with Keggs ala Steve ?     Are you calling St. Peter to a  rescue ? 

 

  I congratulate you to clarity you declare,  you left me all confused and unclear.  

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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

Thursday, 03 July 2008 23:59

 

Mr. Keggs,  I understand you better since I founf the following post you made moths ago to somebody else:

You have brought up a lot of issues which is going to take me some time to digest and respond to, so forgive me if I seem to take a long time. I'll comment over several posts.

In the meantime, can I ask that everyone following this thread keep to the topic. I created this thread not for me to spout my views but to ask for suggestions on how Britain can improve its dancing position. This can be anything from reforming the BDC to coming up with ideas of getting people involved in dancing - social as well as competitive.

My ideas (and I appear to be only one here coming up with anything concrete) are just that ideas. Others may have better ideas. So please suggest them.

The thread appears once again to have degenerated into charge, counter charge and argument. Three pages have been devoted to nonsense. I put forward an intial idea for discussion which I thought was beginning to bear fruit then the discussion changed to the usual banter. That's not what this thread was created for.

 

 

Reading your back and forth with Mr. Onyourtoes,  it appears to me the history repeats itself.

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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

Friday, 04 July 2008 02:12

Hi Will2

Yes, you are right. Just a different topic. I can't remember who it was - it may have been Polkadancer who sadly passed away some months ago. While she disagreed vehemently about the IDSF just as others have here, we did contact each other privately occasionally. Oddly we actually became quite good friends in the end.

For me, it is so sad that we can't all find a way which both sides could at least look at and possibly sign up to. While onyourtoes is probably quite right in saying nobody will take any notice of mine or any others ideas, at least we shouldn have a go. Someone may just decide what we suggest here will be worthy of looking into further. Otherwise what's the point in debating anything here - it will all be just meaningless hot air. I don't believe that we can't have some influence. Many people visit this site. Why not IDSF and WDC officials?

If they are reading this thread, could I beg them to desist from doing anything further than would damage our sport. I am thinking specifically of the Dutch Open. What is so special about this event that the IDSF should place the same ban it has  done on the WDC event. I understand the reasoning behind the latter but not the former.

If the IDSF has decided to go against this event when will it start placing bans on say the British or French Open.

I do not believe the IDSF should have any jurisdiction over national events. World events, yes. National events, no.

Best wishes

Steve

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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

Friday, 04 July 2008 05:31

@will2

Read Page 3  Post made 2nd May at 14.51 and all will become clear-

 

@keggs 

I too corresponded with Polkadancer and even though we shared very very similar opinions there were various differences and we thoroughly enjoyed learning each others thinking and perspective. Something I miss very much. Personally I am sorry you chose to introduce someone who can make no reply and especially when you admit you do not remember in what thread or who you wished to blame. It is always someone else and never you.

I really do not want to go over old ground but if you still cannot see your inconsistencies as an example ask yourself  are you the same Keggs who took several paragraphs to turn yourself into a bullied victim simply by the last line of a post made by  moderate-man in general terms about "those out there with a chip on their shoulder" and which  very surely did not name YOU.. 

Now you claim you did not name me although identification was obvious and worse you knowingly made false statements and claims about me but thats O.K.  Keggs can do it..

 

Now I will shock you, For once I am absolutely in agreement with you. 

What is the point of debating anything here

 

Your attempts to hog centre stage with every spotlight shining on you the man who can save the world if we will only listen are becoming very tiring.  Quite frankly there is enough hot air to fill thousands of hot air balloons. You are only interested in your opinion.

 

I will follow the fine example set by moderate-man  leaving you to  continue to spread inaccuracies and your own propoganda as you hope it will lead to your coronation.and eventually sainthood.  I am convinced that you consider you have achieved a victory for every person you drive away from a forum (read what strauss had to say.) 

In your sporting world do you keep score?  How many to NIL do you lead by now? NO Answer required

 

 

@ all

GOOD LUCK 

 

 

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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

Friday, 04 July 2008 11:23

Dear onyourtoes

I say this calmly without any malice, so please take it in the spirit it is intended - friendly.

I know I keep repeating this question in different ways (sorry about that Jazz) but can I ask. Why are you so reluctant to offer your own ideas to this very important issue?

You have every right to disagree with me. You have every right to suggest (accuse even) any inconsistent or innacurate statement that you say I make. You have every right to attack me for as you see it hogging the limelight. Perhaps I am. I get passionate about things. So if my passion offends you, I apologise.

However, what I don't think you have the right to do is to berate me on the one hand then offer no alternative point of view or suggestion which we could debate like civilised human beings. You might find that yours or other people's ideas are better than mine.

To say that everything I say or for that matter anyone else here says is hot air is a bit unfair surely. What we discuss here is probably read by those who can make things happen. Surely, if we all put our heads together we might just come up with something that those with the power can go along with. 

Or am I right in thinking that (please correct me if I'm wrong - I'm genuinely interested and not trying to trick you - that your solution is the WDC way and no other way?

As always

Best wishes

Steve

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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

Friday, 04 July 2008 13:06

@keggs

don't beg.   As soon as Onyoutoes says good bye, you change your tune and ask for more  of the same humiliation,  have you a backbone ? 

 

By the way it was Polkadancer, whom you responded in Will2's example, I remember.

 

Do you really believe that  your way   (pages of continues arguing, mutual disagreeing and belittling one another ),    is  finding THE SOLUTION to  WDC and IDSF  differences which would  inspire those who can make things happen  ?   

 In my opinion, those who could make changes  may indeed read what is being discussed,  and are probably rolling on the ground in a spasm of laughter.  Is this is the blueprint how they should conduct themselves during negotiations ?

Lets  start another topic, this has gone to a dead end.

Just do not apologize for being and feeling what you are,  do not be the amoeba, jelly fish  which you cannot poke to draw blood, cause the stick just sinks into the flesh as there is no resistance.

 

 I agree with Jazz ,  and by the way,   I finaly remembered  what I wanted to say a few posts earlier.

 

Let me change the tone and share it with you  ( before senility and forgetfulness sets in again ):

 

 

 

If a dancer ( member of IDSF 'family' ) attends a competition which is not authorized by IDSF ( for example )  they would have to cause IDSF  harm ( or their organisation).

Only then IDSF (or the  affiliated national body  ) would  have any chance for success to  uphold any sanctions taken against the 'offending' dancer,    if challenged by the dancer  in  the court .

What damage would the dancer cause ( other than embarrassment for proving they can do nothing ) to IDSF  if they  danced in an -  unauthorized by IDSF  -  competition during, lets say,  their visit to see relatives in far China ?

I agree what was mentioned earlier and I urge readers to note that IDSF and member  associations do not threaten anyone with a specific penalty , punishment or expulsions for breaking their Rules.

They simply suggest that if a member  breaks the Rule  that there are  Policies and Rules in existence which deal with the subject, and spell out specific penalties which  could be applied.

They are however very careful not to directly threaten,  and they do not say they would punish anyone.

There is a reason for such wording, and I believe that IDSF  would  rather not be tested.

 

This is not to say that other Rules pertaining to testing for restricted, performance enhancing substances fall into same category  . 

But the Rules which are formulated  , and it could be argued,  with the intent to  restrict  commerce/ business  competition, and to advance  monopoly   may even be illegal.

Such self serving  rules  not only   restrict  the national members and their membership, but  it may be argued they  cause them harm  by   limiting   opportunity to gain more experience, to improve and to advance,    even limit opportunity for exposure, public recognition and  associated advantages.Just what opportunities and new careers were offered to dancers participating in various dance reality TV shows ).

That's all.  

  

 

PS   Steeve , we will not leave you to dry out  in the sun.   If someone wants to depart, just wave good bye, they will come back, they want to talk, and you have the  pages of proof.

 

 

 

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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

Saturday, 05 July 2008 07:57

@ Think of Me

 

Congratulations you were 100% correct and I have returned to make a ONE off post for  only 2 reasons and will then depart permanently.

 

First I am absolutely filled with admiration at your brilliant memory.  Considering the many words on this forum you can "REMEMBER" exactly which thread Will2 had found the words quoted and even more remarkable "REMEMBER" from December 2007 which member had supposedly upset the forum with "political" issues. However your memory is flawed somewhat but that is hardly surprising given the passage of time.

What is obvious to me is that no matter in which country one lives they are surrounded by POLITICS.  Dancing is no different and anyone who thinks a solution can be found must accept that.  Anyone who asks for ideas or practical suggestions must realise that it is the politicians who will make the decisions without consideration for mine yours or keggs ideas..  It is impossible to ignore politics if there is a serious intent..

 

Second and more important

Since I had great respect for Polkadancer I decided I would try to track this particular article..

 May I now please make a quote from 2 of the contributions from keggs - who had indeed started the article, 

 

Re: Practical Suggestions

Friday, 28 December 2007 11.01

0ear Polkadancer

You have brought up a lot of issues which is going to take me some time to digest and respond to, so forgive me if I seem to take a long time. I'll comment over several posts.

In the meantime, can I ask that everyone following this thread keep to the topic. I created this thread not for me to spout my views but to ask for suggestions on how Britain can improve its dancing position. This can be anything from reforming the BDC to coming up with ideas of getting people involved in dancing - social as well as competitive.

My ideas (and I appear to be only one here coming up with anything concrete) are just that ideas. Others may have better ideas. So please suggest them. 

 

 

Friday, 28 December 2007 13:43

Hi Plkadancer

I quite agree with you - my God! Which is one reason I decided to create this thread. Most dancers as you say are apathetic. And right again when you say the 'politics' determines everything but people are apethitic towards this even though it affects them directly. That's why I get fed up with people who moan and are not prepared to do anything about it.
 

 

 

 

Three things now become clear

Keggs was prepared to respond to Polkadancer.  Would he be so foolish as to do this if he believed there was only disruption  and no worth?

Second and more interesting in a LATER post he is actually agreeing with Polkadancer.

 Three - even then keggs was complaining that he was the only onecoming up with ideas -  it was only him.

 

Over 6 months later keggs is still making the same statement.. Has he learned nothing at all?

The problem - people do come up with suggestions but if they do not suit his agenda then they are dismissed

Whern I read a question as to if I believe that they WDC way is the only way then I know that person has either not read or not understood my previous words and there is absolutely no purpose to continue.

 

Keggs really should read and heed his own words - I forget exactly - but something like what is the purpose of debating here.   keggs really should read postings more carefully and realise where he is being mocked.

I would make a final plea to all members PLEASE leave Polkadancer in peace.

Now it really is goodbye wih lots of waving to keggs and think of me and even will2 and to all others   GOOD LUCK.

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

Saturday, 05 July 2008 12:13

Don't leave on my account onyourtoes

I have no intention of debating on this farcical forum again myself. The only 'real' debate you and others like the last poster want is with people who agree with you. That's not a debate. Anyone who happens to disagree are ridiculed, forced to justify themselves and deliberately humiliated. Their views are dismissed as irrelevant.

One last thought. Isn't it ironic that those who seem so keen to personally attack (despite protesting otherwise) are WDC supporters. IDSF supporters are silent in the main. I wonder why? Could it be that like me they have learned that it's not really worth it?

And many of these people call themselves professional.

Best wishes

Steve

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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

Saturday, 05 July 2008 13:28

@ onyourtoes

it is not kind to pick on my memory. I freely admit it fails on occasion. Let me just point out that I go  way back, and have exchanged many private letters with the previously mentioned forum member, sometimes seeing each other eye to eye, but overall disagreeing that IDSF was guilty of all evil.

I am not at all surprised that you were a great admirer of this well informed and very  prolific poster as you both appear to be on the WDC side, but at least you do  not upset readers with terms such as  communists, fascists, terrorists.

It would be a shame if you departed,  other forum's sites have stopped being challenging and worth the time ...young posters appear to have different interests and appear not at all interested in what matters, this is not to say that the latest hair colour, nail polish, and the e-mail of a hot male Russian teenage Latin dancer is unimportant,  or who he has coupled or not in last month or two.

Who knows, people have gone and come back under different disguises before.  We will look for you.

 

 

  

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Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

Saturday, 05 July 2008 13:49

 @ Keggs

I gently remind you that it is not  the forum but the posters who make the site how you conceive it .

 

 In  the past 15 pages or so,  there are mainly two  posters discussing their  strengths and weaknesses,  without any regard for readers who are not as familiar with English language trying to outperform one another discussion dance political situation in Britain,  ignoring the fact they should be discussing British situation in the forum dedicated to English/British  dance.

 

If you decide you ran out of ammunition against onyourtoes please , do not insult the forum  which You contributed to build the way you find it : Farcical.    

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