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Re: WDC vs IDSF


quicktime2 Joined on 31 Aug 2007 Total posts: 195	Re: WDC vs IDSF Monday, 08 February 2010 21:56 WDC vs IDSF Mr. Beauman, IDSF Honoury President, recently sent a press release to Dance News stating he still loved the IDSF. He obviously does not agree with all its policies. But the fact is even quicktime2 (a WDC supporter, former amateur competitor) loves the IDSF. Here it is worthwhile to consider: what is the IDSF? Is it the thousands of amateur dancers? Or is it the handful of people who manage and administer the IDSF? Most WDC members do not hate amateur dancers. They were amateurs themselves and did exactly what amateurs do today. Compete and try to win. Now they teach amateurs. And try to help them get ahead. Teacher and student are working together towards the same ends. What’s there to hate? Amateurs have developed an organizational structure to provide competitions. This happened long ago with the active support of professionals. It happened way before the infamous IDSF group took power 10 years ago. Their stated goal was to control all of dancesport. They cleverly used membership in the IOC as the means to implement this strategy. To achieve any hope of medal status within the IOC they needed to have the best dancers and best competitions. Their strategy? Destroy the professional organization (WDC) . Destroy the best competitons (Blackpool the prize). At no time were the actual grass roots membership allowed any say in, for example, banning them for competing in non-DSF competitions. This was a decision by the IDSF executives and forced on the national organizations who, up to now, have likewise not consulted their membership. Mr. Beauman, we do not hate the IDSF competitors. Quite the opposite. We do not even hate the IDSF administrators. Well Ok maybe about 6 of them. We do hate some of their policies. You don’t have to join the WDC to be against IDSF policies. Put your reputation on the line and demand the IDSF seek approval from their individual members regarding the bans. Individual IDSF members need a voice and a leader. Help those IDSF national organizations who are trying to advance dancesport.
bulldog Joined on 22 Mar 2009 Total posts: 26	Re: WDC vs IDSF Monday, 08 February 2010 22:47 Versus: in contrast , against, opposite to ... White vs. Black Stupid vs. Smart Slow vs. Fast Bitter vs. Sweet Love vs. Hate, Friends vs Enemies , where WDC vs. IDSF is far better choice than IDSF vs. dance . I agree with you quicktime2 but would replace "hate" with "dislike". But if "hate " is what you feel towards the unnamed 6 IDSF administrators , so be it. However, if you would take the blindfolds off, stopped relying on here-says and actually tried to meet and to learn more about these 'hated' people, you might realize they are just an ordinary well meaning folk just like you. Call the strategy " getting closer, and learning more about thy enemy ", IF you would agree that many "hate" their enemies. In summary: we have dealt with this topic off an on dozen of times, nothing new, nothing changed, and your observations and comments are quite accurate. Just thought you deserved at least one response from a leader of a pack which may catch up and fight for the bone.
onyourtoes Joined on 12 Feb 2007 Total posts: 830	Re: WDC vs IDSF Tuesday, 09 February 2010 00:20 bulldog However, if you would take the blindfolds off, stopped relying on here-says and actually tried to meet and to learn more about these 'hated' people, you might realize they are just an ordinary well meaning folk just like you. ---- bulldog I am wondering how you reached the conclusion that quicktime2 did not have personal experience with, or had no personal knowledge about, the figures to whom reference is made. How you reached your conclusion that "hear say" had formed the opinion exressed ny quicktime2 I am trying to find.. Please bear in mind it is the words used in Press Releases, the words used on YouTube "interviews" etc. are all part of the learning process. If you have been involved in dance for any length of time, and I suspect this is the case with quicktime2, it is almost inevitable that you would have had some contact with the Administrators. Quicktime2 you are absolutely correct. Professionals need Amateur competitors and the relationship between them is hugely important. It would be a sad Professional who refused to co-operate with the Amateur dancers. Please note dancers and not administrators. It is fact that the IDSF have their position in the dance world today by the assistance and effort of the Professionals. Sadly the IDSF view co-operation as weakness and act to exploit and make capital from acts of a concilliatory nature. This is why I criticised in another article..
quicktime2 Joined on 31 Aug 2007 Total posts: 195	Re: WDC vs IDSF Tuesday, 09 February 2010 01:42 To bulldog I wrote: Mr. Beauman, we do not hate the IDSF competitors. Quite the opposite. We do not even hate the IDSF administrators. Well Ok maybe about 6 of them. We do hate some of their policies. My dictionary equates hate with great dislike. If the majority of competitors agreed with the banning policy, I would have no ill feelings towards them (even the dastardly 6 or so) as individuals or as administrators. However based on what I know, I believe many have taken their positions not to serve the individual members but for their own self-interest. I dislike this. When I observe the damage it has done to dancesport I dislike their actions even more. When I see the methods they employ - absence of ethical behaviour, lack of integrity, failure to observe the natural law of justice and human rights and the harm their actions produce to individuals that might stand up to them – yes I believe I do greatly dislike them. I really can’t recall using the word hate in relation to an individual before But, after mulling it over, I think it actually fits quite well. The point of my thread? There is no use in trying to deal with this select little group. We have nothing to offer them. And outside of their position most would not amount to a hill of beans in the international dance community. I believe we must go to the grass roots. They haven’t had their say yet. I am not the only one I am sure who would like to hear from someone with suggestions on how that can be accomplished.
bulldog Joined on 22 Mar 2009 Total posts: 26	Re: WDC vs IDSF Tuesday, 09 February 2010 03:30 quicktime2 I believe we must go to the grass roots. They haven’t had their say yet. I am not the only one I am sure who would like to hear from someone with suggestions on how that can be accomplished. --- If you hesitate he beats you to it.... Totaly agree2 quicktime2 . Unfortunately the grass roots are so deep in the soil they either cannot , or could not be bothered to participate, the soil moves with grubs and the few, above, up on their toes, or with open eyes have answers and advise for everyone and response to everything. I am certain we shall be blessed with their wisdom. How does it work for you ?
sambatogo Joined on 29 Aug 2007 Total posts: 326	Re: WDC vs IDSF Wednesday, 10 February 2010 22:54 Either way Bulldog. It is still their choice as it should be.